Merezhko Oleksandr: Supporting Ukraine is not an act of charity

The Chairman of the Committee of Foreign Affairs at Ukraine’s parliament spoke to Al Majalla as his country enters the third year of war with Russia

Merezhko Oleksandr, the Chairman of the Committee of Foreign Affairs and Interparliamentary Relations of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine (parliament)
Merezhko Oleksandr, the Chairman of the Committee of Foreign Affairs and Interparliamentary Relations of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine (parliament)

Merezhko Oleksandr: Supporting Ukraine is not an act of charity

Merezhko Oleksandr, the Chairman of the Committee of Foreign Affairs and Interparliamentary Relations of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine (parliament), sat down with Al Majalla to discuss whether the Russian war on Ukraine has reached a stalemate as it enters its third year.

Oleksandr spoke from the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, where he shared his views on why he believes Russia has suffered a strategic defeat, what he thinks is a fair and just solution to the war and whether financial corruption in his country has become chronic.

Oleksandr is a professor of international law in several academic institutions in the West, including the University of Kyiv and Dickinson University School of Law, Pennsylvania (USA).

Below is the transcript in full


What is the next stage in the war, as both sides haven’t been able to make meaningful gains in recent months?

We had two stages or phases of the war. In the first stage, Russia attempted a blitzkrieg war to take over Kyiv within three days and to occupy most of the territory of the whole territory of Ukraine within a month or so, which failed.

Now, we have entered the second phase of war, which is a war of attrition. The critical question is who will outlast whom. To win this war, we need constant support from our allies; we need what is known as sustenance. Around 20% of the Ukrainian territory has been occupied by Russian troops.

However, Russia has suffered a strategic defeat because it has failed to achieve its maximalist goals, like taking Kyiv, occupying most of the territories and installing a puppet regime.

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Ukraine has already liberated around 50% of the territory which Russia had previously occupied since 24 February 2022.

The third achievement is that we managed to drive Russia out of the Black Sea. The Black Sea is no longer under the Russian Navy’s control. So, to me, these are very important achievements.

Was the sacked army chief Valerii Zaluzhnyi more realistic than President Volodymyr Zelensky in his assessment of the war?

I don't see any serious contradictions in the positions of Commander in Chief Valerii Zaluzhnyi and Zelensky. To me, they follow the same strategy.

But Valerii Zaluzhnyi did say that the war reached a stalemate.

I think this was a linguistic misunderstanding. Some politicians misuse the term stalemate. It has certain negative connotations.

There is a school of thought in the West in the minority that says there’s a stalemate. They mean an impasse since a stalemate would mean we should start negotiations with Putin.

Zaluzhnyi didn't mean stalemate in this sense. What he meant, and what I understand to be the goal of his article published in The Economist, was different. He wanted to appeal to our Western allies to give us more weaponry to prevent this ‘stalemate’ or ‘impasse’ from setting in and taking hold.

This was the goal of his article, but he's not a diplomat. And to me, he didn’t use the most appropriate term. He used it without understanding what kind of connotation it has in the West.

What he meant was that, to prevent such an impasse, we need to be provided with enough weaponry and ammunition to continue the liberation of our territories and to continue our counter-offensive.

Was Zaluzhnyi a scapegoat for the failure of the counter-offensive last year?

Well, first of all, I don't consider it a failure for the reasons I have mentioned above, and I have given you the facts. It was not a failure, even though we were outnumbered and outgunned.

You can imagine how difficult it is to fight a war against a superpower that has limitless human resources, manpower, and weaponry. Although it's low quality, they have a larger quantity.

I don't think he was a scapegoat in this situation because he was dismissed at the height of his popularity. Many people continue to respect him. It's normal to change the military command after two years of full-scale war.

What is a just and fair solution to the war with Russia in your view?

I'm a professor of international law and view it from the perspective of international law. To me, there is only one just solution to restore international law in the region in Europe: a complete withdrawal of Russian troops.

The answer to this question can be found in the resolution adopted recently by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. This resolution says that negotiations for peace talks between Russia and Ukraine can be started only on Ukraine’s terms because Ukraine is the victim of unprovoked Russian aggression.

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And our condition is that Russia withdraws all its troops from the whole territory of Ukraine and also Crimea. These are the prerequisites for starting peace talks.

We need to restore international law, and we also need justice. Russia has destroyed more than 30% of the Ukrainian economy. As the aggressor, it should pay compensation and reparations to reverse the damage caused by Russian aggression. This is also a requirement under international law.

We need to restore international law and we also need justice.

But do you think it is realistic from a military perspective, and after two years of war with Russia, for Ukraine to insist on the withdrawal of the Russian troops from Crimea?

In the long term, I'm optimistic because the crime of aggression is not only a crime against Ukraine as a country; it's a crime against the whole global community, against all the states.

I'm sure the international will to continue the fight will be restored. It's a question of time. But of course, being realistic, it might take longer than we expect. But the result is inevitable.

We have a choice as mankind to continue our development into the 21st century, with international law as a guiding principle or to go back to the 19th century.

Putin is trying to drag us into the 19th century; he's trying to pull us backwards. And I'm sure mankind will make the right choice in favour of the rule of international law. That's why I'm optimistic about Crimea.

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy left, shakes hands with former Commander-in-Chief of Ukraine's Armed Forces Valerii Zaluzhnyi during their meeting in Kyiv

Ukraine's security service says it has uncovered corruption and arms purchases by the military worth about $40mn.

I know that the prosecutor general did say that the stolen funds have been seized. But do you think financial corruption is chronic in Ukraine? Hasn't corruption been a major stumbling block to your bid to join the European Union?

Well, the problem of corruption has been around for many years—a huge problem in Ukraine. One of the reasons why President Zelensky was elected as president was the need to fight against corruption, and he kept his promise.

Looking at the current situation, you will see that no one in Ukraine is above the law. For example, there is no immunity for parliament members in corruption cases. I can give you many examples of when members of parliament in Ukraine were brought to justice for corruption.

Another example is the head of the Supreme Court of Ukraine; he was also brought to justice for corruption. There are other examples when VIPs and high-ranking politicians are brought to justice.

We created a very effective anti-corruption architecture. So, the fight and the struggle against corruption is continuous because we're aware of a very simple fact: we cannot afford to have corruption, especially during the war, because it undermines our credibility in the eyes of our partners and our allies at a time when we want to join NATO or the European Union.

One of the interesting lines from President Zelensky in his various interviews is that supporting Ukraine is not an act of charity. What do you make of this?

The truth is that Ukraine now plays the role of the shield of Europe. Let's imagine, just for the sake of argument, that Ukraine fell and Russia controls Ukraine. What would happen next?

First of all, it would create additional insecurity for NATO member states. We are confident that after Ukraine, Russia will go after Moldova and the Baltic states like Poland, which means that the United States and NATO countries will have to spend more money to increase the military budget to defend themselves against Russia and reinforce their defence capabilities.

In this case, the United States, European countries, and NATO countries will have to spend much more than they currently spend. So, it's not charity.

In our fight against Russian imperialism, we're trying to restore international order. If we fail, it will embolden it and encourage other potential aggressors in the world.

One of the reasons why President Zelensky was elected as president was the need to fight against corruption.

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Ukrainian servicemen of the 65th Mechanised Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces walk next to an abandoned armoured personnel carrier near the front line village of Robotyne

Does Ukraine and the Arab world have any common ground that could bring the two sides closer?

There are several. I was sometimes asked, for instance, 'How can you explain to the Arab world why they should support you? You can explain it to European countries because you're part of European security architecture and fighting for European values. Yes. But how can you explain it to the Arab world?'

There are several reasons.

First of all, by supporting the victim of aggression, you create guarantees for yourself that in case of aggression against you, the aggressor will be punished. That's why it's important.

The second reason is food security. Russian aggression against Ukraine has undermined food security and supply chains all over the world. The third reason is nuclear security. Supporting Ukraine diminishes the chances of a nuclear catastrophe.

And finally, there is the moral argument: Russia was the aggressor in invading Ukraine.

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