Said Jawish Interview Part 3: the days after Eli Cohen’s capture

Now an old man, the Syrian soldier who caught Mossad's man in Damascus in 1965 speaks exclusively to Al Majalla about the famous counter-intelligence operation

Eduardo Ramón

Said Jawish Interview Part 3: the days after Eli Cohen’s capture

By the end of Part 2, retired Syrian military officer Said Jawish had told Al Majalla how he and his team tracked the Egyptian-born Israeli spy Eli Cohen down to an apartment in Damascus, from where he was broadcasting radio messages to Mossad. Here, in Part 3, Jawish picks up the story.

Cohen, who spoke fluent Arabic and who was later portrayed by Sacha Baron Cohen in the 2019 Netflix TV series The Spy, had been masquerading as an expat businessman setting up projects in the Syrian capital. Whilst there, he got to know some of the country’s top military and political leaders, using the alias Kamel Amin Thabet.

When Jawish and his team finally found Cohen’s transmitter and Morse key in January 1965, the Mossad man knew the game was up, but he was not taken away immediately; rather, he stayed largely in the apartment for another six days, transmitting messages back to Israel’s foreign intelligence service, all the time watched by Jawish and his team from Signals Company 134, who would sometimes take Cohen out to restaurants.

In Part 3, Jawish recalls how his superiors were told, how they reacted, and how Cohen had the chance to escape on the day that he was caught. He also recalls the conversations about what to do with the Israeli spy, and how Jawish spent three months in prison for voicing his opposition to his execution. Finally, as both men were in the same prison the night before Cohen was hanged, Jawish recalls elements of their conversation, as Cohen contemplated his fate.


Not caught up? Read the intro, Part 1 and Part 2.


Did you then take Cohen to prison? What happened?

No, he stayed in the apartment. After we obtained this information from him, I called Mohammed Widad Bashir, the communications officer.

How did you call him?

On the landline in the apartment. I told him we were in the man’s home and had found everything. He said: “Alright.” Within an hour, Col. Ahmad Suwaydani, head of the Intelligence Branch (who later became Chief-of-Staff of the Syrian Armed Forces), arrived with Widad Bashir and First Lieutenant Mohammed Nassif, who later became known as Maj. Gen. Abu Wael (a Syrian intelligence officer specialising in electronic warfare, who later became Syrian Assistant Vice-President).

Ahmad Suwaydani came in and asked: “Where is he?” We said: “This is the man.” Then he asked me: “Does Adnan know?” Adnan Tayyara was head of the Israel Branch (he later became a General who led the Syrian delegation in talks with Israel in Geneva in the 1970s).

As I said, we were a communications unit, a technical unit. Until then, we had had no coordination with Intelligence. That is why I wrote some time ago that no intelligence service—Egyptian, Chinese, or Syrian—had any role in discovering him. Signals Company 134 discovered and captured Cohen.

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Said Jawish in a group photo with a number of Syrian Army officers.

Regarding the Soviet direction finder said to have helped uncover him, there have been claims the signal came from the Indian embassy.

None of that is true.

OK. What happened after they arrived?

I told Col. Suwaydani that I had reached an agreement with Cohen. He said: “Since you have reached an agreement, stay with him. Any messages that come in will be taken back to the branch.” He then asked whether Adnan knew. I told him that he did not and that he was away on a staff course. He told me to bring him. I went to the Staff College and brought Adnan Tayyara back with me. I told him we had caught a spy and explained what had happened. It was only then that Intelligence became involved. Adnan Tayyara, incidentally, was an excellent officer.

Did Adnan Tayyara later head the committee?

Correct. His office was in Abu Rummaneh.

What happened next? Did they take over the investigation?

No, we stayed in the apartment. We wanted to decipher the code, and for that we needed The Three Musketeers. Cohen told us that the following year, 1964, he had used an issue of the monthly magazine Al Mukhtar. I went to Beirut, bought the issue, and found a copy of The Three Musketeers.

Was that after you had left the apartment?

No, we were still there.

You went to Beirut while Cohen was still in the apartment?

I went and returned straight away. Some of our men stayed with him in the apartment.

How long was he held there?

Six days. I will tell you about an important incident that happened in the apartment. This was during Ramadan.

Were his hands tied?

No, we sat with him quite normally. I was young and strong enough to overpower him, so we were not afraid of him. About an hour before iftar, Rifaat and Mahmoud, the only two men with me, asked to go home to break their fast and then return. The driver was downstairs at the entrance. I was not fasting, so they left, leaving Cohen and me alone. About 15 minutes later, the doorbell rang.

I asked Cohen who was at the door. He said it was Lt. Khalil Zahreddine (whose uncle was the head of the Syrian army and a former defence minister) and a heavyset man wearing a hat named George Seif (a journalist who became the Minister of Information). I told him not to open the door.

You said that to Cohen? Had you become friendly?

Yes, we talked and shared stories. They kept knocking and started pushing at the door. We had forced it open earlier, so they could now break in easily. I told Cohen: “Open the door. Tell them you have a headache and were asleep, then apologise for not being able to receive them.” I thought that now I knew their names, we could summon them later. I went into the kitchen and warned Cohen not to leave, telling him that the orders were to shoot him if he tried. He said he understood.

I heard the door open, then someone asked him: “Where have you been, man?” He replied that he had a headache and had been asleep. Then I heard a pistol being cocked and saw Lt. Khalil running towards me in the kitchen. I was wearing an ordinary shirt and trousers. He grabbed me by the front of my shirt and said: “You?”

I was taken aback and stood there without speaking for a few seconds; I cannot say exactly how long. Then I collected myself and told him: “Put your gun down.” He asked who I was. We went into a hall with a table and a telephone and sat down. I told him: “I am from the Mousli family. I have a sister at university, and this is Mr Kamel...”

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Said Jawish during his meeting with Al-Majalla in Damascus.

That is what you told him? That you were from the Mousli family?

Yes. I came up with it on the spot. I said Kamel had promised to marry my sister, then changed his mind, and that my father was elderly and might die of grief. I told him I did not know what to do. He said: “Do not worry. It is a simple matter.” I replied: “Since you are here, let me call my father and ask him to come. A few words from you might calm him down.” He agreed.

I called Widad Bashir (the communications officer) and said: “Hello, Dad. It is Said.” At first, he did not understand and asked what was wrong. I covered the receiver as best I could and said: “It is about my sister Leila...” Then he understood. I told him a police officer was here who could help us and asked him to come, and to bring “Uncle Adnan” with him, meaning Adnan Tayyara. After I hung up, the front door opened, and I saw George Seif with two smartly dressed men in ties. He pointed at me and said: “That is him.” I was sitting down, with Lt. Khalil opposite me.

Where was Cohen?

He was standing near the window with George Seif. I could see he had plenty of chances to escape, but he did not take them. One of the men told me to stand up. I asked who he was. He showed me his identity card and said he was First Lieutenant Aql Gharban from Political Security. The other man introduced himself as Captain Saleh Saghbini, also from Political Security.

Cohen was standing near the window with George Seif. He had plenty of chances to escape, but he did not take them

I told them there was a family matter between Mr Kamel and me. Then I took Aql Gharban aside and told him the story about Leila, keeping him talking while I waited for Adnan Tayyara and Widad Bashir to arrive. Khalil Zahreddine remained where he was. The two men arrived and came straight in, as the door was open. I immediately pointed to Adnan Tayyara and said: "This is the officer I told you my father had spoken to about Leila."

I repeated to them the story I had told the visitors. We had agreed not to reveal that Cohen had been arrested for espionage. The intelligence officers then took the visitors away, leaving Cohen and me behind. I asked Adnan: "What should I do?" In front of them, he said: "This is a family matter between you and him. It has nothing to do with us." Shortly afterwards, Rifaat and Mahmoud returned from iftar.

Do you remember which day this was?

The first day, the day we caught him. The following day, I took him out so that no one would realise he was under arrest. We walked through the streets, with our men keeping their distance ahead of us and behind us. We had lunch at Al-Kamal restaurant.

With whom did you go?

Cohen. He and I went to Al-Kamal restaurant in central Damascus twice. We walked and talked normally, but our men watched us from a distance. On the sixth day, Ahmad Suwaydani came to the flat. I was surprised to see him. There had been strikes, and protesters had entered the Umayyad Mosque in Damascus. The leadership wanted to make an announcement involving Israel to calm the situation.

Ahmad Suwaydani told me: "Send this message to Mossad immediately." I still remember the Arabic wording: "To Eshkol and his intelligence chief: Kamel Amin Thabet and his associates are in our custody. We await the others. Syrian Intelligence." Levi Eshkol was the Israeli prime minister at the time.

Did you send the message yourself?

Yes, I sent it myself.

How?

By Morse code, of course.

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Eli Cohen (1924–1965), an Israeli spy born in Egypt, in January 1959.

Where was Cohen at the time?

He was with us. I had two men with me.

Were you still in the flat?

Yes. It was the sixth day. The following day, they told me that "the Lieutenant General" wanted to see him.

Which Lieutenant General?

Amin al-Hafez, the commander-in-chief and head of state. I asked where I should take him and was told to bring him to the Israel Branch headquarters in Abu Rummaneh. I took him there. Amin al-Hafez was seated at the head of the room, with Adnan Tayyara beside him. A warrant officer named Melhem Qassem from Jubata ez-Zeit (a village in the Golan Heights) was also there. They made Cohen stand by the door.

Amin al-Hafez asked him in his Aleppo accent: "What's your name?" He replied: "Kamel Amin Thabet. I'm a Syrian Arab, I work in trade, and I'm a Muslim." Al-Hafez asked him to recite Al-Fatiha (the first and opening chapter of the Quran, comprising seven verses recited in every daily Islamic prayer), but he made mistakes. He said: "Is there a Muslim your age who doesn't know how to recite Al-Fatiha?" Then he turned to Adnan Tayyara and said: "Adnan, this man is Jewish." He told them to bring Cohen further into the room.

An officer from the Palestine Branch was there, Abdul Qader Abdul Jalil, from Khan Sheikhoun in Idlib. Al-Hafez told him: "Take him, question him, and find out who he is." Abdul Qader asked Adnan Tayyara whether he could slap him. Tayyara replied: "Use your judgement." After the first slap, Cohen said his name was Moshe Mizrahi and that he was Jewish. As the questioning continued, he said his real name was Eli Ben Shaul Cohen, that he was married to Nadia, and that he lived in Bat Yam.

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Nadia, the widow of Israeli spy Eli Cohen, displays a photograph of herself with her husband during an interview with Reuters in Herzliya, Israel, on 6 October 2019.

The Palestine Branch then took him into custody, and our direct involvement with him came to an end. But there was still the matter of the watch. We took everything from him, but I left him his wristwatch because he needed to know when to transmit. I examined it carefully, took it apart, and checked it. That watch has a story behind it, which I will tell you later.

Was he then interrogated and executed?

They questioned him and wanted to broadcast the trial to the world. Salah al-Dalli conducted the interrogation. I objected, but I was too junior for anyone to take much notice of what I said. I argued that Israel would benefit from seeing him and hearing what he had to say, and that the trial should not be made public, but they went ahead with it.

Did you follow the trial?

I went to court because we had deciphered the messages. They would ask me about particular messages, and I sometimes stayed to explain certain points.

Then he was executed?

He was sentenced to death. I objected to carrying out the sentence as well, and I was imprisoned because of what I said when I raised those objections. I said there was no problem with passing the sentence, but that the execution could be postponed so that we could still make use of him while he was alive. If there was ever an exchange, a living man would be worth more than his remains.

Who did you raise your objections with?

I raised them with Maj. Adnan Tayyara. Col. Ahmad Suwaydani was present on one occasion.

What did you say that led to your imprisonment?

I said that someone had an interest in ensuring that Cohen did not remain alive. They asked me what I meant. I said he was in our custody, and we could execute him whenever we wanted. It was just my intuition. I spent 89 days in prison.

Did you mean anyone in particular?

No. My intuition was that someone was afraid of something and, for that reason, did not want Cohen to remain alive.

Were you imprisoned after his execution?

Yes.

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The execution of Israeli spy Eli Cohen in 1965.

Did you witness his execution?

No, I did not attend the execution, but I was with him that night in the prison near Qaboun in Damascus, at the Military Police headquarters. He cried and said: "They deceived me." I asked: "Who deceived you?" He said: "The service I work for. They told me, 'Even if we have to bomb Damascus, we will not let anything happen to you.' And now here I am." He was executed afterwards.

How long were you with him at that final meeting?

About two hours. I felt sorry for him. From the information we had received, we knew that he had a son named Shai.

How did you come by that information?

Before we sent the message informing Mossad of his arrest, we continued exchanging messages with them, assuming they did not know he was in our custody. He told me about his son and said: "This boy will grow up an orphan."

Was his son born after his arrest?

Yes. Cohen travelled every year. He did not stay in Syria the whole time.

***Next up is the final installment: Eli Cohen's burial and the story of his watch**

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